It showed that how the guy takes feedback from small little questions that have been thrown at him, how he continuously wants to improve the software so that it can become better and can be accepted on a larger level.

When fathers ask me as to whether their children should go into web related work, I always tell them only ‘if they want to’.

In their defense though I would like to add one thing. You must understand that many of these kids aspire to be one of us, big city folks making money having a life which is open and liberal . Speaking English like its our mother tongue and going to malls to drink wheat beer. Its difficult to make them understand that , that’s not a target they should acquire by any means necessary. That is something they should try and achieve by excelling in whatever they are good at.

Also , they must understand that the grass always looks greener on the other side. A good town life is much better than a bad city one.

regards
Mayank Gupta

Second – thanks for clarifying a lot of things about .net. However, I’m sure that the core of the post was more targeted towards how the education system sucks, the kind of crop that is coming forward.. as in the youth… their usage of brain and common sense. What triggered me to use this title were few events..that i’ve already mentioned in the post 1) crap students coming up with .NET Raag even though they didn’t know what .NET is all about… I just got pissed off because of that & 2) had to come up with a funny tittle

To clarify things from my side as well (just want to make sure that you don’t make false assumptions) – I’m definitely not of the league that finds it cool to refer Microsoft as M$ or Microsh*t or what not… in fact, I’ve always considered it as a company one should look forward to… (i’m running an IT company – so Microsoft is just one of the best examples for me to follow) …. & i’m using a “Licensed version of Microsoft Windows 7″ while writing this comment

Regarding your defense about .NET & C# – I don’t have anything to say because you’ll be a better person in all the senses… not only you must be awesome programmer, you’ve been one of those guys whose points I can agree to without questioning much….. you may ask why.. then the answer is … Respect! [Hail mogambo ]

However, I’ve failed to understand that how is it “Open”, is the source available for others to “use”? ["steal" will not be a suitable word - since over here by "open technologies" I meant "open-source" --- its like saying that "you can steal air"]

Why you see bad programmers in Java or any other language is because of the fundamental issue… “Kaash mera raj dulara bhi Microsoft or Oracle mein ho” or “ye agar computer engineering kar le toh mere saare paap dhul jaaein” types attitude of parents. If students will learn things from heart or with passion and not by force or pressure… there will be hardly any chance of them coming up as bad programmers.

Other than that, thanks to institutes like NIIT which are not educational institutes rather a Factory where programmers are made… where one can have full doubt on the teacher because teacher themselves aren’t too confident… i’ve seen cases where students are offered the job of a teacher in the same institute because they couldn’t get them placed elsewhere.

Not in a sarcastic way at all — “Kudos to Microsoft to ensure that they could get their technologies tied up pretty well in the education system or could partner with these institutes to ensure that everyone talks about .Net only” — you may ask why, here’s the answer — If I could get developers to work on my framework by hook or crook then I’ll do everything to get them working on it…. it’s the colleges who have to understand that what they should be really teaching and how they can fix the education system.

BTW, can I develop applications on .NET without shelling out a single penny from my pocket? I’m not sure about it thats why I want to ask this.

keep an eye on the next post – it’ll be about how Govt. of India can take steps to reduce piracy

I think you (and much more so – David Barrett in the link you pointed out above) are confabulating different things.

I can emphatize with some of the issues you pointed out above but they have nothing to do with .Net. I’ll come back to them later.

However, the blog you pointed out – I couldn’t but help and smile at it. It sounds so juvenile. I’m not trying to be a moron here but I do believe I’m a reasonably decent coder and I do happen to know a few things about programming languages and platforms.

Let me clarify.

1) .Net is not a language. C# is. F# is. C++ is. Java is. .Net is a development platform.

2) Between object-oriented languages there’s really nothing to choose between Java and C#. Both of them provide implementations of standard OO concepts. In fact C# is fast evolving and acquiring lots of attributes of functional languages as well.

3) The blog argues against .Net because it provides the best tooling! Really! Doesn’t that sound funny – Arguing against a platform because it’s better at something!
Sure you can open notepad and code-up a .Net app from scratch but why wouldn’t you use a tool that makes your job easier?
I guess there’s some machoism and glory in being the rough guy who doesn’t believe in using tools but relies on doing everything by hand – is that it? Is that the argument? Well, sorry, I don’t want to argue against that
And again, let’s be clear, the tooling (read Visual Studio) is not .Net. You don’t need it to write a .Net application.

Coming back to your points – I fail to understand how using ‘open technologies’ (whatever that means – .Net is totally open for that matter – it’s a draft standard subitted to international bodies. All of .Net code is available to developers, except you can’t ‘steal’ it.) will prevent the colleges / teaching institutes from teaching crap. I have personally met equal number of bad Java programmers in interviews.
What colleges need to teach are concepts and fundamentals not specific technologies.

Very nicely you have put across your points. This stands true for everything that you learn and study. Yes with dotnet people take it as a job opportunity. The passion and approach to learn and hit the right thing is missing. Having said so this stands true for everything, as people always have a tendency to take a shortcuts in life.

I think one should be focussed even it is C or C++, and if people are good in that, you will not have to regret in life.

We just need some other revolution so that this 9-6 regime , living life as it is crowd just leave the IT industry for hackers. RIP .NET